0609 Female Led Relationships: Unapologetically Submissive: When Submission Isn’t a Choice

♪♪ This podcast is intended for mature audiences only. If you are not 18 years of age or older, there are thousands of other podcasts you can listen to, and you can come back and visit us when you are 18. This podcast is meant solely for entertainment. We are not licensed doctors, lawyers, or therapists. We simply have a fascination with the lifestyle, and I'd love to share it with you and get your thoughts and opinions. And I would suspect if there was a woman elder that was already at this level of wanting that amount of submission, this is a mom that we're discussing. She's probably been stanched up, right? Because the playing field... Oh, I just did six, seven.♪♪ Welcome back. I better acknowledge you. Hi, Sabi. Hi, how's it going? I don't want anybody to feel sad that I didn't acknowledge your presence. I've become a permanent fixture on this bad boy. On this bad boy. Uh, do we have any housekeeping? Ksh, ksh, ksh. Hey, can I tell you? Yeah. This is ADD, but I was driving to work the other day, and a Michael Jackson song was on, and I immediately heard the housekeeping song, or the housekeeping sound. What song was it? Really? Yes. I was driving, and I'm like, oh my gosh, it's the, uh... Fuck, I'll think of it. Just remind me. Michael Jackson song? Yeah, Michael Jackson. Made me think of the housekeeping right away. Interesting. Yeah, it was funny. I'm turning into you. I can pick beats up in weird places. But there's not a beat in the housekeeping. It's a... Oh. Gosh, it's one of his older songs. It's like a riff kind of thing? And you just hear it in the background. You know how he... Oh. Ah, fuck, I'll have to find it. It's not Billie Jean. What are some of his other... I don't know. It's a bigger song. I don't know. Not Beat It or... It's not Beat It. Is it before or after those, do you think? It would be around the same time as Beat It. Because Billie Jean and Beat It... Bad? Or, um... It might be bad. We're going to have... I'll have to pull it up in the truck on the way home. Man in the Mirror, maybe? No, it wasn't Man in the Mirror. I do like that song though. I'm not sure. Yeah. Wow, we are way off on attention. Yes, and I'm trying to rush a little bit because I don't want to run out of time. Do we have housekeeping? Anything? I was just going to say the school is up and running and people are joining, and thank you for joining and all that, and that's going pretty well. And welcome the other half of the podcast, Steve and Judy, to school. We're so happy you're here. So happy you're there. Courses, I'm working on courses, right? And because of our setup here, the three camera systems, the courses take just a little bit of time to edit because we want to do a really good job with these because I want to do them once and not have to do them over again, right? But we do have three of them recording, recorded, and another one today, I think. Hope so. Yeah. So we're amassing the content and doing a really good job at that. We have even more planned for the courses. So yeah, that's where we're at with that. And besides you kind of restarting your audios on OF, that's just been kind of a thing in the background. But those are kind of going again, which is here and there, if you're interested, jump on whatever. I'll put a link and all the things. We'll be back by popular demand. Yes, actually. I mean, you've already got one paying client, so. I don't fuck around. There you go. All right. Two or three, actually, now. Okay. Yeah. All right. Look at me. Go me. Here we are. Is that it? That's really about it. Yeah. Okay. Let's get into what we're going to talk about today. Yeah. We're going to have my subbie blind react to an... It was an email that I received in response to my newsletter. Which is new, by the way. The newsletter. Should that have been in housekeeping? That should have been. I'm sorry. Are you fucking dropping the ball here? Well, we've done three of them. Okay, then. So if you don't have one by now. Send me an email? Send you an email so we can put you on the list. So we can send you an email? Yes. All right. They're not spammy. And your information is secure. Sorry. I just needed this. Unlike your wiener. Oh, it's very secure right now. Winning. Oh. Distraction. Okay. Okay. That's why it took you so long to pee. Maybe. Yes. Okay. Yes. All right. Okay. Back to the ranch. We are going to talk about being unapologetically submissive or even maybe not unapologetic. This might be a... We're going to talk about just how submissive my subbie is and here's why we're doing that. So this was in response. We have... Is the episode out with the... Was that last week's the response to the comment on school? Where the denial and... Okay. That one was last week. Yep. So... By the time you hear this, that was two weeks ago. Okay. However that works. Anyway, this is in response to the letter that went out with that corresponding episode or around the time of that corresponding episode. Yep. And it says, never forget your followers include those who are extreme in our beliefs. Those who aren't looking for compassionate domination, but instead crave overwhelming, overpowering control of a total power transfer. This is a big word and I can't say it. G-Y-N-A-R-C-H-I-S-T-I-C. Don't mind me backing up because I can't see shit. It's the philosophy that strips males of any rights at all. I believe most of your male followers fit this category. I don't know if I agree with that statement. Do you want to comment now before you forget? Quickly. A little while back you were in conversation with somebody, if you remember this, that had the dynocratic state or whatever. That person. Same. Yes. Yeah. Yes. I don't know why I am like I am. I never asked to be submissive or just chose to be. It chose me instead. I was born with it and knew from an early age I needed it. It's how I know gays don't just decide to be gay. They just are. I couldn't change it if I wanted to and I don't want to. It's my nirvana when I conceal from most who know me, but still I embrace it. So it says, please consider devoting a segment to this subject unapologetically without judgment to the males and females who practice this lifestyle. So ask and you shall receive. I want to say that I fucking love that email. I know. And I knew you would when I first read it. Just because thank you for responding and thank you for throwing in your two cents and all that. This is, we love this kind of stuff because this is the conversations that we might not have had anyways, right? But somebody brought it up and it's valid, 100% valid. Well, because I identify with that person. You do. About knowing from an early age, and I can pinpoint the fucking moment that I knew it, right? About being submissive. So let's, let me just, okay, first the part that I maybe don't, I don't know that most of my listening audience of the male variety is necessarily that hardcore submissive. And I don't mean hardcore, like in a bad way. I just mean, I don't, because that level, okay. So maybe I should state this a different way. Maybe that most of my listening audience is that way. The people who have taken the time to reach out to me are not on that level. Let me say it that way. Yeah. And I, I mean, I am open to all communications, I'm not implying that I only want the people who are a little less hardcore by any means, because I married probably one of the most hardcore. Sort of like, I don't, I don't, you don't want to be stripped of your rights, but the amount of pain you would like me to cause you. Those are two different things. Yeah, I suppose that's true. You know what I mean? That is true. I feel anyways, those are two different things. I crave your control probably more than you provide it, right? I would agree with that. But does that mean that I'm unhappy? It doesn't at all. No, I guess I've never taken it that way. Right. Okay. That doesn't, doesn't mean that. And to the point of the, the emailer, yes, absolutely. There are submissive that listen to this podcast that are right on that level. But let me tell you, if I was to some Saturday when we were alone and had the bus to ourselves or whatever, what's to say to him, I want you to strip naked and clean the floor with a toothbrush while caged and a butt plug in your ass. So really, I mean like the, I know the pain thing isn't a comparison, but like that would make you very uncomfortable for so many levels, right? Absolutely. However, maybe I crave that uncomfortable. Like I crave to be put in that place by you, right? I'm just rewinding to the amount of pain you would like me to cause you because like I could hang rocks from your balls and well, you were cleaning something and like you would just be in heaven. You know what I mean? Yes. But uncomfortable. Yes. Right. That's where the pain comment came from though. Like I'm not saying I understand the difference between me inflicting the pain that's different than you being submissive. But the submissive aspect, the control you'd like me to take involves me inflicting some amounts of pain while ordering you to do something, correct? Not necessarily. The control, the control doesn't necessarily have to do with the pain itself, right? The control is the power to put me back on my heels. The power to make me uncomfortable and it doesn't necessarily involve pain, right? Because you could, you could say, okay, I have a, okay, wait, yes, go ahead. So if I was to say to you, let's go back to the circumstance, if I want you to clean the whole bus floor with a toothbrush, naked with a cage and plug, if I was to say, I want you to clean the whole bus floor with a toothbrush, fully clothed, uncaged, no plug, do you think that you would feel the same? Yeah. So that it would be the same level? Very similar. You think so? Because you told me to do something. Okay. Let's, that's where it starts with, right? Okay. Like if, if we were, if we were out somewhere having dinner and drinks or whatever, and we were by ourselves and, uh, you just said, uh, go talk to that guy and tell him that I want a whatever, right? That would put me back on my feet and making, make me incredibly comfortable. Uncomfortable. Uncomfortable. Correct. But I would do that because you told me to, right? So much of this is because you tell me to, and I crave the, you tell me to, right? So when we go to the gym, this is, this is, right? Yeah. When we go to, we go to snap fitness nearly every morning and I fucking love it. Right? And you do too, right? But you love running now. I do. Yeah. I just haven't done it in a while. Which is. I, I'm in a slump. I'll get back. Yeah. I mean, I still go, I still do the weights and things like that. And you were just like so majestic when you were, I fucking love, fucking love it. Anyways, when we go to the gym and you constantly ask me, what do you want to do? I could give a shit less because we're going to do one of two things or what, what do you want or what do you want? Yeah. It's so much not about what I want. I don't, I think the gym is probably one of the only places that as of late, I have really said that. Let me tell you where this causes complications too, because when I'm by myself, like, okay, so when we're together, I don't touch doors oddly, oddly enough, when I'm by myself, sometimes I have to remember that they're not just going to open for me. I've gotten very accustomed. I'm standing in front of the door waiting for somebody. I mean, some doors open on their own. Yeah. Some doors. But yes. Yeah. So anyway, what do you got your fingers crossed for? So then the yang to that is that you asked me what I want also could mean that you don't want to make the decision. So you're putting that decision on me, right? Yeah. So I'm just sitting here just now thinking, oh shit, that also means the same thing. Yeah. And I think I've said in the morning, I don't want to make the decision. I'm still tired in the morning. You know what I mean? Like we get there today, the decision was made. Why do people not walk next to each other on treadmills? Why do they have to go every other week? So fucking weird. They're not. Anyway, I guess. I mean, well, right. I mean, we know each other. Right. But I mean, does it matter? I don't understand. I don't know. Anyway, that's not the point. Yeah. I'm just sitting here now making that epiphany or having that epiphany about you're not up to making that decision when in the morning I'm thinking that you're more worried about what I want than what you want. Which is not necessarily the case that I'm just now thinking about. Yeah. And I mean, let's be real in the morning, you lost me after I'm thinking because I certainly am not thinking. Okay. So is there anything else? I mean, this really hasn't been a whole lot about the submissive aspect. I mean, we talked a little bit about that, but what else would you say? I mean, you had mentioned you knew from a very young age that you were submissive. Absolutely. And I identify that there are. Would you say in your second marriage, you were the dominant or do you think? And here's the thing. But you did submissive actions. She just, they went unnoticed. More towards the end. Oh, yes. Because you were getting more into that. Here's the thing. I knew from a very young age that I craved the power of a woman, of a female, right? I was probably ten-ish, maybe in that eight to ten-ish, roughly area, right? That that hit me, right? At the time, I had no idea. Now I understand what I was feeling at the time, right? And some of this, who I am, carried into early teens and we've talked about that. Not on the podcast yet. However, we've touched on it. However, and then late teens through my twenties, thirties, and most of my forties, I had it in my head that I had to be like my dad or my uncle or my grandpa and I had to, I'm the, you know, the provider and I'm the boss and I'm the this and I'm the that, right? Until later on in my second marriage, just prior to you, that's when, well, let's be honest, the internet, you know, but I mean, but I mean the access to having that because I didn't have access to that world at the time, right? So having the access to that and understanding all of that and saying, yeah, because that thing looks good to me, right? So now I've bridged all the way back to that point, that early point in my life and now understanding all that and then moving forward. And that's where I entered. Right. And even, even by the time you entered, I really didn't get it. No. Oh no, I know. I remember. Right. I thought I understood, but I did not. And it wasn't until you till I really understood and really developed the mindset that I have today. Right. So that's, you know, chronology of the subbie, but to the point of your thumbs up are my favorite. You like that? Yeah. But to the point of the email, yes, there's a lot of, a lot that are at that level. That's a tough, that's a tough hill to climb because the matching energy from a woman is or can be very difficult to find, right? So, my heart goes out to you, honestly, because I understand where you're at. I really do understand where you're at. And I am similar to that at times. I really am, right? So luckily I found you. Yeah. You are a lucky son of a bitch. Well, no, but I mean, you matched. I do. Well, you, you had the open enough mind to say, okay, tell me the things, right? And let's talk about them. Right. And that's how we got to where we were, right? So for a submissive at that level to magically find that just right person, right, is a challenge or it can be a challenge. Well, and I would be interested in knowing if there are women listening to my podcast that are already at a stage where they're comfortable. I mean, I would suspect if there was a woman out there that was already at this level of wanting that amount of submission, this amount that we're discussing, she's probably been snatched up, right? Because the playing field, oh, I just did six, seven. Yes and no. I think that maybe that kind of woman, and that's not like a label or anything, but that specific type of woman may be divorced by now. Too much for her husband. Right. Maybe too much for the husband who is also an alpha or also, and maybe just confused about where they were and stuff and just thought she was a bitch. Massive difference between just a bitch and a strong dominant woman. Yes. There's a difference there, right? The bitch doesn't understand the layers below. It's just up here, right, where the powerful dominant woman understands the layers below and then uses that. That's just, that's where I'm at with that. So, to that, I think it's maybe more important to find, if you're looking for the woman to match your level of energy, being of submissive energy, it's more important to find an open-minded woman. Yeah. Right? Than it is to find a dominant woman. And we've said that too. And when people are asking, where do you find a dominant woman? I would have never thought I was here. I never thought, I would never have thought I would be here now. Looking back at my life and the life I've led, never in my life did I think I was a dominant. It hit me like a ton of, I mean, there are little sprinkles here and there throughout. I mean, I did a, I guess I've maybe always been a little bit dominant, not in this respect. Kind of though. I mean, you ran the show, but not knowing that that's what a dominant woman would be. But it's different when you run the show and the person that you're running the show with is a fucking retard. Yes. Sorry. That's not a politically correct word, is a fucking idiot. That's better. Yeah. Yep. So, so then my two cents to the email is that, again, connect with, oh, there's two ways of going about this, right? You can either go out and hire that, you can find that instantly, right? But that's not longevity. Right. That's different. That's like me saying that I need to cause you pain to be at that level, right? Like you're not going to find, or are there people that offer that service? Because like you said, it's different, right? Right. It's a service that, which is different than a relationship. Right. But a service can also be sort of a relationship. I suppose. But it's still a service. Right. So it's. Well, okay. Not to interrupt you, but I would be interested in knowing what level would you say you are, like on a submissive scale, like do you want me to strip you of all of your, you know, like he had said where, you know, you're stripped of pretty much everything. Yeah. Like I have full and total control of you. We've dabbled in this in the money thing. Yeah. But this would be like, would you want me to take full control of all of your decision making ability? Yes. The short, no, no. But the short answer is, the short answer is yes. Right. Yeah. And I can say yes, because I know that you will have my best interest at heart. I can trust you. Yeah. That's true. That's the key. So find an open minded woman that you can trust, who you build trust with. Then it might be game on. Yeah. Right. Very well could be, you know. And in the future, in the future, there might be just a platform where you can learn these things specifically that my co-host here might be hosting. That's all I'm going to say. You and your ideas. A hundred percent. This is to benefit the community. Yes. No, I know. Everything we do is for that purpose. Right. Because we see the problem and we've heard about the problem for years. The basic number one question is, how do I find a dominant woman? Right. That's the number one question. Which makes me really sad. Well, I mean, the part that makes me sad is that there aren't. And I mean, I'm sure that there's hundreds of thousands of women out there. That have no idea. They have no idea. Like you did before you met me. A hundred percent. So how do we connect that with that? Well, yes. We're not creating something that's not there. I know. We're enabling something that could be there. Yeah. All right, then. That was just my two cents on it. And your insight into the future. Yes. Okay. Is there anything else that you want to add to this? And I hope this was. Again, this could be another episode at some point. Yes. We could dig deeper or in a different direction or whatever. So I like, again, thank you so much for the email response. Fucking on point, right? Absolutely on point. And there, I will say, there is a course that may have been recorded that touches on this also and some fundamentals that need to be in place prior to. Yeah. All right. So I think that's, that's about it. I hope you enjoyed the episode. It was mostly him talking. So just kidding. That was the point of the episode. I wanted to get your take. I hope you have a fantastic week. Stay safe. Stay healthy. I love you all. Can we come in?